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RAdmin Inbox BOT 2025-10-03 19:18
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I'm reformatting my thoughts from a message that I sent to somebody else recently, but I'm currently quite worked up and I just needed to pass along my thoughts. This huge explosion happening from the most recent frontpage post standing in defense of Pokemon Clover having a set feels really bizarre to me. It has content that ranges from somewhat offensive to extremely overt bigotry. Allowing the set to get made is one thing; RA has its fair share of content that is questionable, and has drawn at least some lines for what things are too far for the site. I don't agree that the game should get a set, but if RA took a truly neutral stance on the matter, I guess I could just ignore it. Making a frontpage post about it is so much more, however. This is a vocal statement of support behind the content, and really exacerbates the problem. I make it no secret my political leanings, and though I think they are hardly relevant in most cases, I think you can understand why this makes it hard for me to be able to support RA. Again, this wouldn't have been as much of an issue if RA just kept its head down, but making this a public spectacle is really making this so much of a mess, and I think it reflects very poorly on the site's reputation. The conversations that are happening in my circles are really troubling, and I'm sure there are other conversations happening as well. This feels like a clear example of the "nazi bar" problem to me, and that's not what I want to see happen to a site I care about. This one instance might not seem all that important, but it feels like the start of a larger problem beginning, and at this point, people are already deciding "yeah, I'm done with RA". When it gets worse, it will only grow from there. I'm trying to get out ahead of this before RA becomes a site that I can't in good conscience associate with, because it's a project that I've grown to care about deeply. You don't have to care what I think, and my opinions aren't all that important
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[Part 2 of 2]
in a bubble. But these opinions are shared, from what I've seen, and it breaks my heart for RA to develop a reputation like this for being "apolitical" when its convenient rather than really looking at this objectionable content holistically and seeing that supporting it doesn't really do anything positive for RA. We are not an archival project. We are a transformative project. And we don't need to transform the worst things we can get our hands on. I have no hate for tomojin, nor anybody else who has worked on the set. It is fun to work on sets with a lot of claims. But this is low-grade 4chan bigotry that should have died 20 years ago, and this was a slam dunk setup to say "no, this is gross and allowing it on the site benefits nobody". Allowing it and then making a spectacle about allowing it causes so many more issues, and leaves me with so many unanswered questions about who is making the decisions up there.
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@Moderator Do you think it'd be a good idea to remove the news post?
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I haven't seen much of the situation yet but i value auths opinion
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Honestly this is starting to spike my anxiety and I don't think I can manage it
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Hexadigital 2025-10-03 19:53
I think I missed in the previous thread if it was said it was going to be in Clover's thread instead of a separate thread, or I would have said something
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Did the message specifically call out clover? I can see how that'd blow up
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It was posted in Clover's thread rather than its own thread
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It's in the clover game forum
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Oh and then that was linked to the front page?
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I didn't even connect those dots in my head
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I thought it was a general statement and not specifically for clover
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I'm sorry guys. I really messed up here.
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Shouldn't be on the front page if it's for clovers thread
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LordAndrew 2025-10-03 19:55
I thought it was going to have a dedicated topic myself, not attached to Pokemon Clover specifically.
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Do we need a new news post to course correct?
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Hexadigital 2025-10-03 19:55
Would it be possible to move it to a new topic and move all the replies into that thread after it?
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Yes, I can probably do that in the database
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Hexadigital 2025-10-03 19:56
And don't beat yourself up over it, just means that we need a clearer plan of action voted on next time something like this comes up
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Just got caught up on everything, I agree it would likely be better in it's own topic unrelated to Clover. I still think a lot of people are over-reacting though and will always be unhappy no matter what if there is anything offensive on the site
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I wouldn't be sad to see clover removed entirely. (Sorry I haven't been vocal on this earlier, I had an interview today.)
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Tbh I wouldn't be either, or Custer's, 177, etc. I can at least understand why people wouldn't want to see that and why they would come to their conclusions. But I'm also not too bothered by them being there personally
20:01
Seeing a few delete my account requests coming into our inbox due to this ssweat I'd really hope Auth wouldn't leave over it
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I'm looking at Skybilz's discord and several people over there are ready to delete their accounts over this.
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Alright, I have a migration script ready to move the stuff to a new topic
20:04
I tested it with a thread locally, it seems to work
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Hexadigital 2025-10-03 20:05
It's worth pointing out that we'd only see negative responses (like account deletion requests) to something like this regardless of our decision to keep or remove, since the players that are happy with our decision aren't going to do anything notably different than usual
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I'm going to run the script now
prayo 1
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I guess I missed some crazy shit in the last 24hrs?
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Hexadigital 2025-10-03 20:10
You can see the start of this thread to see where this began: https://discord.com/channels/476211979464343552/1423353545448493179
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Have a lot of reading to do it seems
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I see if dont feel safe im good to skip the reading and realize its ridiculous people overreacting about something that they can just not go play.
20:11
This is ZZker with 177 all over again and leaving the collab witb tele and I for not feeling safe with us
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OK, the script ran. I also updated the link to the news post.
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Is it worth starting a brand new thread and locking the old one with an archive link in the new one?
20:13
Open with a foreword with what happened
20:15
That way the convo can somewhat reset with the old posts not being hidden
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Hexadigital 2025-10-03 20:15
Things like what this comment points out are good reason to not ban games based off content:
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Or stuff like Gurumin where a NPC actively lusts after the main character (and other underage girls)
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At least that's an actual game and not pokemon hack no. 6583
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Been trying to get my words together to reply to authorblues, it's likely he doesn't have the entire full story or where this group decision has come from
20:35
It's tricky to distance ourselves from the contents of the games, or as someone explicitly put in that thread "presence of a set implies endorsement of the game". It's too busy in the thread to ask, but I would want to ask why that connection is being made (edited)
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LordAndrew 2025-10-03 20:36
Unfortunately, we've already made it clear this about Pokemon Clover, and we can't undo that.
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